Dr. Nathaniel von Einsiedel, Ph.D, Chamber of Real Estate and Builders’ Associations (Creba) chairman and principal urban planner of Concep Inc., guests on ‘Business and Politics’ hosted by The Manila Times Chairman and CEO Dante ‘Klink’ Ang 2nd. The news and public affairs program airs at 7 p.m. this Saturday, Sept. 30, 2023, on SMNI. PHOTO BY J. GERARD SEGUIA